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Garlic Jr. vs Frieza
Topic Started: Nov 28 2011, 10:24 PM (6,380 Views)
sylentknyte
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This is the Garlic Jr. from the filler Garlic Jr. Saga. They both start out in their first forms, Frieza only has the option to go to his second form. If you think the fight would be too imbalanced, he could also tap into h 3rd form, but I think that would be overkill. If Frieza goes into 3rd form, Garlic Jr. Gets the option to call in his minions. So in your opinion who wins?

PL's imo

1st form Frieza - 530,000
2nd form Frieza - 1,150,000
3rd form Frieza - 1,750,000

Garlic Jr.

1st - 450,000
2nd - 1,200,000

Spice Boys (all in second form):

Spice - 600,000
Vinegar - 540,000
Mustard - 480,000
Salt - 400,000

Imo, Frieza takes the first fight, but cannot kill Garlic. They both transform. Garlic Jr. somewhat overpowers 2nd form Frieza, but not as much as Piccolo did (I have him around 1,250,000 when he fought Frieza). If the battle goes all the way, Garlic Jr. kills Frieza, but it is very possible he is killed in the process.

If Frieza goes 3rd from, he would easily dominate Garilc. However, with all of his 2nd form henchmen, I feel Garlic could shift the power balance. Granted, Frieza could one shot Salt, take Mustard out pretty easily, but I feel like Spice and Vinegar could provide some problems when teamed with Garlic. I honestly couldnt call it, so I would say draw.
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NeoSSayajin
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Filler saga takes place several months after the Namek-Frieza arc, Garlic Junior was being outclassed by Piccolo, who never stops training.
Taking that into account, Garlic Jr. should be at least at Frieza's last form at around 4% (vs. base Goku).
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sylentknyte
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imo, Piccolo jumped from 1,250,000, to 1,500,000. Not a huge difference, but enough to cream Garlic Jr.
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MetaCooler
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Just a quick query, how come Kami did so well against Garlic Jr. if the latter was 450k? More filler inconsistency?
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Garlic Jr just manages to win by my numbers.
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Nov 28 2011, 11:34 PM
Just a quick query, how come Kami did so well against Garlic Jr. if the latter was 450k? More filler inconsistency?
Kami got bottled up and treated like a child, in the saga that is.

The Dead Zone movie itself was set before Raditz came so Kami was stronger than everyone but Goku and Piccolo. Garlic got his power from the star and Krillin, Piccolo, and Gohan were the only ones strong enough to fight him .
Edited by Kblo247, Nov 29 2011, 12:55 AM.
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in the movie, garlic only has his own power, and is maybe raditz' level when transformed.

in the garlic saga, his base is at most ~ 2st form frieza, imo, but when transformed he's probably between 3rd and 4th form frieza.

remember that this saga takes place at least 8 months after the fight against frieza, and piccolo would have likely increased significantly since then, as would krillin. i think it was made pretty clear that gohan was the weakest of the 3 of them without his rage, but i may be remembering it wrong.

anyway, each of garlic's henchmen should be around 1st form frieza in their 1st forms, give or take a little.

frieza might win if he's allowed 3rd form, being fast enough to fight garlic's transformed state, which is bulky and slow. garlic's henchmen are too weak to matter, even if they transform.
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They built Gohan up into a 1 man wrecking crew for the Spice Boys. The gray area though is Gohan and Garlic as Garlic says his powers don't work on Gohan when he remembers who he is.
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but iirc, wasn't that gohan's rage? gohan's regular power was getting stomped iirc.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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lunar2
Nov 30 2011, 06:43 PM
but iirc, wasn't that gohan's rage? gohan's regular power was getting stomped iirc.
He said that after Gohan threw his first punch at him and cut his face. I always took it as Gohan was more or less immune to Garlic .

Yeah Gohan raged out to kill 2 of the Spice Boys at first. Then he was saddened with Piccolo and Krillin attacking him. Then he and Krillin with no rage basically took care of the next two semi easy one on one before the star super charged them. Then he raged again and killed the that two. Then he stepped in and saved Piccolo by catching Garlics punch, which I guess you could debate was his normal power with no aura or crazed look, and he put a hole through Garlics stomach. Then he freaked when he was told Garlic was immortal, which I guess he just didn't know or couldn't remember since he was just a baby and Dead Zone happened before Raditz. Gohan pisses him off, he opens the Dead Zone, and Gohan places a bubble that basically stops him, Krillin, and Piccolo from being sucked in while the whole lookout is being dragged in.

I personally think Gohan's rage was huge for killing off the Spice Boys and in general, but I also think Garlics magic was weak and ineffective versus him compared to the others. Gohan caused him more bodily harm despite his immortality, Piccolo pummeled him and Krillin drilled him, but Gohan made him bleed and tore him apart. we all know that he is the only one who could stand with the Dead Zone open and even use his power to make a bubble around Krillin and Piccolo so they didn't get sucked in while the lookout was literally crumbling around them
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but that part (the bubble and after) was specifically because krillin was already beat up, and piccolo hadn't fully recovered from kami's near death.

anyway, super garlic was stronger than piccolo, who was stronger than 2nd form frieza at a minimum, and most likely stronger than 3rd form frieza, as well, given that it had been at least 8 months since the frieza fight.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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^ Piccolo was kicking his ***** until Kami started to weaken him. I have it like this:

Piccolo (vs Frieza) - 1,250,000
Piccolo (vs Garlic Jr.) - 1,500,000
Garlic Jr. (second form) - 1,200,000
Frieza (second form) - 1,150,000
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''Frieza (second form) - 1,150,000''

how is freeza that weak in second form

anyways freeza wins
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havoc_wreaker
Dec 1 2011, 03:01 AM
''Frieza (second form) - 1,150,000''

how is freeza that weak in second form

anyways freeza wins
Well Frieza's power was stated to be over 1,000,000 but never specified how MUCH over 1,000,000..

But either way. I think Frieza would take this one.
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Frieza could be a million times stronger than Garlic, he can't kill him....
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